{"id":1247,"date":"2004-09-16T20:42:00","date_gmt":"2004-09-17T02:42:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.lordandrei.com\/blog\/?p=1247"},"modified":"2004-09-16T20:42:00","modified_gmt":"2004-09-17T02:42:00","slug":"where-i-rant-a-bit-about-discrimination","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.lordandrei.com\/blog\/2004\/09\/16\/where-i-rant-a-bit-about-discrimination\/","title":{"rendered":"Where I rant a bit about discrimination"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Today I want to rant about the following:<br \/>\n&#8220;If you don&#8217;t think you can help the situation, don&#8217;t try to render help.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><!--more And here is where I try to write in a manner that makes sense--><br \/>\nJust in case it has been a topic people hadn&#8217;t figured out by this point. I am polyamourous. I am. I have come to terms with it. I am okay with it. I think it is the correct lifestyle, <i>for me<\/i>. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the right lifestyle for everyone. I don&#8217;t think it makes me a better individual than people who aren&#8217;t poly. And all those beliefs anyone else has about what they think it means about my ability to love, be honest, have fidelity, have safe relationships&#8230; all those issues are just that. These are someone else&#8217;s issues.<\/p>\n<p>That being said&#8230;(err, written, err <a href=http:\/\/www.brainyquote.com\/quotes\/authors\/t\/truman_capote.html>typed<\/a>) it took me a long time to accept this. It wasn&#8217;t easy. Initially it was because I was in monogamous relationships. Well, I did have one poly relationship near the start where my partner demanded I accept her polyamoury but blamed me for hurting the relationship when I tried practicing it. Later when I tried being openly poly I made the mistake of dating people who entered the relationship saying, &#8220;Oh. Um. Yeah. Sure. Of course I&#8217;m okay with it.&#8221; and then spent the time later in the relationship complaining that I was always thinking about the other partner and that they don&#8217;t understand why they aren&#8217;t enough for me.<\/p>\n<p>I got barrages of, &#8220;You&#8217;re just waiting for the next person.&#8221; and &#8220;Well, if you want to love someone else, then you obviously don&#8217;t have the ability to love me.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>So many people telling me what I felt.<\/p>\n<p>There has only been one person who ever argued with what I was feeling and been right about it. This person accused me of being poly at the point when I was denying it the most. I flew off the handle. I was trying to push myself to be something I wasn&#8217;t and the world just wasn&#8217;t having it. She could see the real me better than just about anyone I have ever known. (And I&#8217;ve never told her that). She can always see the real me almost as well as my own wife. In my strange little poly heart there will always be a great deal of love for her.<\/p>\n<p>But, the pushback from the people I cared about in the mono-amourous community was just some of the difficulty. Joining (or at least hanging out with) the local poly community has had its own set of difficulties.<\/p>\n<p>&lt;digression&gt;<\/p>\n<p>Someone pointed out to me once:<br \/>\nWhen a person finds himself looking for a counter culture sub-group, suddenly they aren&#8217;t quite as different as they used to be. Some people revel in being different and discover they must strike out to be <i>more<\/i> different, to stay maintain a comfortable feeling.<\/p>\n<p>An example: SCA allergies<br \/>\nI actually heard the following at an SCA event: &#8220;Well, if this bowl was even in a kitchen where the chef had handled fish\u2026 even if he washed his hands&#8230; <b>I&#8217;LL DIE!<\/b> (said with that <i>exact<\/i> inflection). She then went on to ask the server after every piece of food, &#8220;Does this have fish in it? Was it near fish? Was it in the same room with fish?&#8221; I got up and moved when she asked about the tea.<\/p>\n<p>Now&#8230; some may hazard that I was intolerant and did not take the time to understand her. But, I&#8217;d like to point out one major thing here. Regardless of how I felt about her issues, I didn&#8217;t push my disbelief in her face. I didn&#8217;t laugh at her questions. I simply didn&#8217;t perceive that I had the ability to discuss her issues (or for that matter to be around her issues) in a way that would pay her the respect that she felt she deserved.<\/p>\n<p>&lt;\/digression&gt;<\/p>\n<p>My local poly community has a load of bisexual women in it. As a straight male I have to be honest and say this is a good thing. (You can take that anyway you like \ud83d\ude42 Many of the men there seemed to me to be bi. It took me quite a while to feel like I was part of the community rather than a guest.<\/p>\n<p>People were kinda nervous about me. This was partially because I was the new guy, but also because I was the new <b>guy<\/b>. One woman in the community said to me, &#8220;Oh, it may take you a while before people warm up to you. It&#8217;s a guy thing. So many guys aren&#8217;t really poly, they just show up looking for an easy threesome.&#8221; Now, I can understand that idea. History has proven that time and time again (as my wife aptly states:) abusive members of a dominant group can ruin the image of all members of the group. So now I have to deal with a stereotype on top of being new in a community.<\/p>\n<p>After a few months of rare appearances in the community I asked someone why I just wasn&#8217;t naturally feeling like I was making any progress in polyamoury. She said, &#8220;You&#8217;re a guy. You don&#8217;t get relationships. Getting close to someone isn&#8217;t just about wanting to have sex with them. In our community it takes time to get to know someone. We&#8217;re not swingers. You can&#8217;t just go after the first person you see, and expect they will be interested in you.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>This made sense. Right then someone else showed up. The person I was talking to sprung off the couch literally pushing off my shoulder partially as a handhold and partially to push me out of the way. She hugged the new person and said very loudly, &#8220;Did you see the new cute boy at the club? We have to go so I can pick him up. I so have to have him.&#8221; They giggled.<\/p>\n<p>Something in me wanted to walk over and snap her neck.<\/p>\n<p>I understand that this is only one person. I am aware there are different relationship styles. Personally, I&#8217;m not opposed to either of these. But their sharp juxtaposition in this case highlighted a hypocrisy that seems all too common in the community.<\/p>\n<p>Recently, I found out that I&#8217;d made a false assumption about one of the men in our community. Since it was the norm in our community (in my eyes) I&#8217;d believed he was bi; in fact he is also straight. Since then, we&#8217;ve had tons (more) to talk about; we&#8217;ve shared stories, issues, and experiences. Some of the difficulties we&#8217;ve gone through. Some of the wonderful things we&#8217;ve discovered. But in general, this has given me someone to bond with in the community.<\/p>\n<p>So I made a group on LJ called: <a href=\"http:\/\/poly_str8_male.livejournal.com\/\" class=\"lj-user\">poly_str8_male<\/a> and promoted it as:<br \/>\nA place for a minority in the minority to chat about our issues.<\/p>\n<p>This has turned into a bit of a flamish debate as I have been getting comments like:<br \/>\n<i>How dare you as a straight man call yourself a minority?<br \/>\nHow dare you feel you&#8217;ve been oppressed or discriminated against?<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Folks, I&#8217;d like to point out that no matter what uber-gender, race, creed (what exactly is creed?), religion, orientation you may belong to, every one of you is an individual. (Monty Python: &#8220;I&#8217;m not!&#8221;) In the grand scheme of things, every one of you is in a minority at one point. I guarantee you, the number of white, male, jewish-raised, thelemic, priests, with ordination, that are straight, albeit poly, who had a parent that was a psychiatrist, who has been married for less than 4 months, comprises a very small circle in the grand scheme of sentient earthlings. Does this mean I feel that I&#8217;ve been discriminated against? Maybe, sometimes, possibly, once, shrug, dunno. Does it mean that I want to meet other &#8220;WMJrTpwOSPPsychpMlt4m&#8221;s?<\/p>\n<p>F*#&#038; Yeah!<\/p>\n<p>Even if this is someone I discover I don&#8217;t like, at least I can share something with them that other people just can&#8217;t connect to.<\/p>\n<p>Now this debate has raged on with accusations that I am leaving the larger community. My feelings about the situation have been called<a href=\"http:\/\/www.livejournal.com\/community\/polyamory\/1159977.html?thread=16310825#t16310825\"> inane <\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.livejournal.com\/community\/polyamory\/1159977.html?thread=16240425#t16240425\">humourous<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>For me&#8230; the rant is not so much about anything specific in the ensuing debate. For me it&#8217;s the fact that there even was a debate. <\/p>\n<p>I want to invite people to a place where they can talk about issues that are not really relevant to the larger group. Why does the larger group feel the need to comment that they feel it&#8217;s unnecessary? I mean&#8230; WTF!?!?!<\/p>\n<p>I honestly don&#8217;t care if straight men are or are not a minority or a majority of the polyamourous community. Let me repeat this&#8230; I don&#8217;t give a flying f&#038;$* as to what the numbers are.<\/p>\n<p>To sum up, the whole rant comes down to this:<br \/>\n<b>If I&#8217;m in a group of 10 people where 8 are explaining to me all the bad stereotypes that come along with being a straight male, and I&#8217;m one of 2 guys in the group&#8230; I want a place that I can vent to the other guy about that saying, &#8220;Well that kind of sucked. Did you feel uncomfortable, too?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Scolding me and telling me I have no right to believe that I&#8217;m uncomfortable when you weren&#8217;t one of the people being talked about really doesn&#8217;t help your case. In fact all it really does is further prove the situation.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Now, my other problem is that I love good debate. I like analyzing what was said and trying to pick apart flawed logic. This gets me into far too much trouble. 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