{"id":2143,"date":"2007-04-22T08:05:00","date_gmt":"2007-04-22T14:05:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.lordandrei.com\/blog\/?p=2143"},"modified":"2007-04-22T08:05:00","modified_gmt":"2007-04-22T14:05:00","slug":"on-the-topic-of-divination","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.lordandrei.com\/blog\/2007\/04\/22\/on-the-topic-of-divination\/","title":{"rendered":"On the topic of divination"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been listening to a wonderful Podcast called deos-shadow. One could call it a non-denominational pagan show. I owe my discovery of the show to <a href=\"http:\/\/fiannaharpar.livejournal.com\/\" class=\"lj-user\">fiannaharpar<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The host has interviewed several good occult authors on the series and that&#8217;s just the side features. Deo and his wife Mandy present a realistic, level-headed view of paganism and what it&#8217;s like to practice.<\/p>\n<p>The show is temporarily on hiatus because Deo&#8217;s older Mac laptop has fallen prey to the curse of the motherboard. For those curious this is a wonderful time to catch up. I strongly recommend you start with the episode #28 called, &#8220;When to Call bulls&#038;#t&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Like most podcasts Deos-shadow has a forum site. I&#8217;m not typically active on forums anywhere because I just don&#8217;t have the time allotment to try to follow and catch up on an unending supply of threads. (Someday someone will make treaded conversations far easier to interact with)<\/p>\n<p>For some reason this morning while sitting in bed (next to the most wonderful image of sleeping <a href=\"http:\/\/shimmeringjemmy.livejournal.com\/\" class=\"lj-user\">shimmeringjemmy<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/aiden_freeman.livejournal.com\/\" class=\"lj-user\">aiden_freeman<\/a>, <b>and<\/b>, <a href=\"http:\/\/cute_evil.livejournal.com\/\" class=\"lj-user\">cute_evil<\/a>) I decided to look thru the forum.<\/p>\n<p>A young poster was in a class when a bomb threat went off. She decided to use a magic 8-ball for divination. Below the cut is her recollections of the rather doom-suggestive divination and my comments back to her on the nature of divination.<\/p>\n<p>The short form is that I agree with her that tarot is much better and then explain why magic 8-balls and especially ouija are bad.<\/p>\n<p><!--more Oh, Auntie Andrei... why shouldn't I use a magic 8-ball for divination?-->Quoth the poster:<\/p>\n<p><i><font size=\"-1\">I noticed the 8-ball my teacher had on his desk so I asked it: <\/p>\n<p>Me: OH MAGIC 8-BALL! WILL WE SURVIVE TODAY?!<br \/>\nIt: My scorces say No.<br \/>\nMe: Magic 8-ball, Will I fail all my classes since I can&#8217;t turn these things in?<br \/>\nIt: Yes. Definatly.<br \/>\nMe: Are my parents going to kill me b\/c of it?<br \/>\nIt: Yes.<br \/>\nMe: Are you a negative person?<br \/>\nIt: Resoning leads me to say yes<\/p>\n<p>Well, I&#8217;ve decided I prefer tarot cards.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n<p>(I responded)<br \/>\nI think moving to tarot is better than the eight-ball and very much better than the dreaded ouija board.<\/p>\n<p>In both cases I think you&#8217;re pushing your divination in two very risky directions.<\/p>\n<p>1) You are using very definite YES:NO questions. It is very possible to get the opposite answer that you&#8217;d expect by interpretting the question differently than intended.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Magic 8-ball am I going to die?&#8221;<br \/>\nAnswer &#8220;Definitely, Yes&#8221;<br \/>\nInference: Well, eventually of course.<\/p>\n<p>This goes waaaay back to an old rule from Dungeons and Dragons. &#8220;<strong>Never make a wish<\/strong>.&#8221;<br \/>\nIn definite statements or yes no questions there is either wiggle room or only one obvious answer the leaves you wondering, &#8220;Why did I even ask?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>2) The 8-ball and ouija board take the responsibility of divination away from the diviner.<\/p>\n<p>In both cases you enter into a feeling of &#8220;Other spirit&#8230; tell me the answer&#8221; rather than &#8220;Let me divine the answer from the signs.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The former method always makes me leery simply because you never know who&#8217;s giving the answer. There are enough trickster gods, goddesses, faeries, etc out there.. that you really don&#8217;t even want to ask for directions to the local grocery.<\/p>\n<p>-=-=-=-<\/p>\n<p>For both  this is really simplistic in the way I stated it. But the poster was fairly young and I didn&#8217;t want to go crazy in my response. I also wanted to avoid the Andrei-pomposity sound that I&#8217;ve been accused occurs frequently in my postings.<\/p>\n<p>So, this is my general opinion on the topic. 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One could call it a non-denominational pagan show. I owe my discovery of the show to fiannaharpar. The host has interviewed several good occult authors on the series and that&#8217;s just the side features. 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